Models and Photographers on LJ

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Hi I am Lillith I have been in this community for a while, thought I would introduce myself. I am an "alt" model in South Eastern VA anyway I have a couple of open casting calls up on MM {looking for photo editing and for a photographer}. The photographer one is for a Snow White themed shoot.


Model Mayhem has deleted my accounts
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EDITED TO ADD: While I was typing this, Brian has been posting in the MM forums claiming I did NOT try to contact him. Another mod is parroting this. Not only is that untrue, it's a violation of their OWN RULES to talk about former members who can't defend themselves.

EDIT 2: EDIT 2: Did Brian receive my e-mail? I DO have his personal e-mail, and have contacted him there before about site issues. I have copies of replies from him. We've also talked about personal issues via mail. I know I sent it & got no reply. I know the security hole was wide open & being indexed by search engines, and I know someone else was posting it publicly. So to accuse me of malice or making things worse by talking about it publicly is ludicrous, and I have NO reason to lie about contacting them.

So, I'll make this brief as I can. I've been a member at Model Mayhem since shortly after the site started. It's been my primary networking tool since 2005. I've been active in the forums, and in real life with the various community members. I volunteered for the site. At one point I was suggested as a mod, and when that was shouted down by some people the former owner, Tyler, asked me to head the then-forming Gatekeeper program. While I declined that, I did head the unofficial Picture of the Day 18+ contest until it was made official & site-wide, whereupon I continued to run it for some time, devoting many hours to it.

I have made a lot of friends and gotten a lot of great work from the site. I'm going out at exactly 69,000 posts in the forums. With that much talk I've rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but I've helped a few folks & gotten a lot of "thank yous" too.

Now, after almost 5 years and a lot of time, MM has removed my account. They've been looking for a reason to do so for some time, partly because of the blatant personal animosity some of the site administrators have for me, and partly because my involvement with Model Insider patently terrifies them.

Yesterday's events finally gave them the excuse. In short form, they screwed up code on their website and opened a MASSIVE security hole. It was open for several hours without anything being said. Then Pat Yuen blogged it & made some tweets about it. Info on the security hole & events is here.

After Pat's tweets & blog I messaged Brian Diaz (the head mod & site admin) directly (I have his e-mail) and let him know. Nothing was done. So I posted some tongue-in-cheek comments on Twitter & MM's Facebook, making sure they would see them. In fairly short order, they took the site down for about 15 minutes, plugged the hole, brought the site back up, then took it back down to fix out of sync servers, then brought it back up again.

It's kind of funny how fast they fixed something they blamed on a hole in Tyler's infamous "spaghetti code" given their usual claims about how hard it is... Brian & Dean Johnson (one of the other site admins) both said the ENTIRE CODE had been gone thru in that brief time to look for more examples of the breach, given that the "block member" feature has been down for some time, allowing, among other things, a KNOWN STALKER to harass at least one model with no action from the mods or the site. I guess something embarrassing to the MM moderators & IB admins (since the breach allowed a peek behind the curtain at their clear disdain for members and lack of ideas about the site's actual operation) is FAR more important to fix than a simple feature needed to stop a model from being threatened by a dangerous individual.

In the midst of all this, Brian & Dean were posting in the forums & to MM's Facebook & Twitter patently lying about the issue, blaming "outsiders" and "hackers" and "malicious individuals" and such. They flatly denied any changes in their code were at issue. As it became clear this was a lie, they backed off those claims on MM but left them uncorrected on Facebook & Twitter. They also began censoring their Facebook, removing not only posts about the truth but any posts from people ASSOCIATED with some of us who told the truth, even if they were old posts that had nothing to do with the situation.

The lies continued in the MM forums, tho, with them making non-credible claims about people using their bug to do more than just look at mod thread titles, locked/hidden threads, members' brig records, and the names of mods who've locked threads. They claimed some members (and strongly insinuated all along that Pat & I were responsible for it) had used the hole to do things like delete peoples' avatars, which was patently crap.

I stayed out of the fight in Site-Related over the MM mess & went on about my business, chatting with friends, setting up a shoot with another MMer for this weekend, discussing professional associations, giving out some anti-scam advice, reporting a questionable account, a usual day on MM.

Then, about an hour ago at 9:30 PM EST, with no warning or discussion, I received this:
"Your account has been removed from Model Mayhem for the following reasons:
Your actions to disseminate the security flaw yesterday through as viral way as possible without making any attempt to alert the moderator or management team is a clear indication that you are not interested in being a productive member of the MM community. We feel it is time for you to seek a presence elsewhere."

That's fine. It's their site, it's their rules. They want to kick me off, they're welcome to. What I WILL NOT stand for, and what I want the members to know, is that they are lying about me AND lying about what happened on the site.

They screwed up the code, code that they could have fixed (as I noted
here, whereupon I was promptly accused of borderline criminal activity by Brian Diaz) long ago. The speed with which they fixed this breach SHOWS how easily they can manage it.

They lied about what happened, and they're blaming the wrong people for it. This has not only affected me, Pat Yuen was also removed from the site. He has also always been a tireless friend to the community. I will NOT apologize for helping expose a massive failure on the part of a multi-million dollar public company like Internet Brands (MM's owners) to run their site & secure it adequately. I did nothing morally or ethically wrong, and I certainly did nothing criminal.

I am upset & hurt by this. Most of all, I want to say to Brian (who I am sure will see this) that I am TERRIBLY disappointed in you. While we haven't always AGREED we have always been civil and I thought we had mutual respect. I sought you out to let you know when I found someone slandering you, we spoke a few times about meeting in real life to share a beer. I realize you have to defend Internet Brands and Model Mayhem, and I have a REALLY good idea of what's going on behind the scenes there & the pressure you are under. But I tried to do the right thing & let you know about this & was ignored, and then you made this out to somehow be my fault. Removing me from the site, that's business and I'll live. The rest hurt. I'd like at least the decency & courtesy for no more lies to be told about me.

Brian, you have insisted time and again that I work for a competing site. So I guess we’re competitors now. If that’s the way it has to be, then that’s the way it has to be. But then you, of all people, should be aware that posting verifiable untruths about your competition is a little more serious than just kicking someone off of your web site. If this is how it is to be, then I suggest you not only stop, but set the record straight. This situation is of your making and your choice, Brian. I expect better from you.

I am opening this blog up for public comments, but I'm filtering them & tracking IPs, so if any of my detractors out there feel like taking cheap shots you can save your typing.

Mirrored to my Model Insider blog:

X-Posted to a few places here on LJ.

Can anyone ID this amateur model? I've seen some pictures of her online, but I can't find her name or if she's with an agency. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks =]

Last day for Permanent Accounts at Model Insider!
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Hey folks, just a quick heads-up that Model Insider, one of the fastest growing sites of it's kind on the net, has been running a permanent account sale. It was going to be open until March 15th, but we sold past our goal in just 2 weeks.

This permanent account offer is limited to just a few folks (exact numbers will depend on sign ups but it will be less than 50), and those signing up for it will get permanent privileges at the highest level on our site for about the same cost as 1 year's membership at similar sites elsewhere.

Sale closes at 8 PM PST today, March 1st, 2010. If you want to check it out, you can find all the details here: Model Insider Permanent Account Sale

What a joke!
Model Mayhem is having problems again and when you go to the announcement about the problems it tells you An error has occurred. Please hit back and try again or come back later. I think that site is run by my ten year old brother and his friends.

WRONKLED Magazine call for contributors
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WRONKLED Magazine will be returning with its second edition on April 1st 2010 and needs CONTRIBUTORS. Deadline is March 1st 2010.

WRONKLED (www . wronkled . com) is an online parody/spoof/humor magazine lampooning the online model/photographer world. We debuted on April Fool's Day 2009 with a mix of contributions from friends and linked-in parody videos from online.

We're looking to go BIG in 2010, with all new all original content. We need articles, jokes, images, and most especially VIDEOS focusing on the humorous aspects of online networking in the modeling & photography community.

Contributions can focus on cliches in images (train tracks, caution tape, etc), "dead horse" topics like flakes & escorts, stereotypes ("creepy" photographers, "MySpace" models, etc), or any of the other topics that we all love to laugh about. See the first issues for examples.

We would especially appreciate some non-US contributions! Perhaps, for instance, some of our British cousins might throw in some items relating to the "I"m a photographer, not a terrorist!" campaign.

This is not a paid project, we're putting our time & resources in to hosting & setup. Wronkled is affiliated with Model Insider, and we're planning this issue as part of a major push for MI with advertising & publicity that should bring you & your contributions fantastic exposure. Plus it's a great chance to have a little fun! If this goes well we're looking to make this a quarterly project.

Anyone who's on DeviantArt, please fav up the news article there?

All interested parties should contact:
james (*at) modelinsi der (dot*) com
info (*at) modelinsi der (dot*) com

Every day

I modeled in a group photo shoot in May and I've only seen two photos from it. I didn't think to get any information from the four photographers I worked with that day, so I have to rely on communication with the woman who organized the shoot.

The problem is, she ignored my e-mails for about four months. She finally replied to my e-mail on Saturday and said that she would send me links to my photos on Monday (and kept saying that she's already sent them to me). No sign of the links yet.

Am I doomed to never see my photos? Is there anything I can do?

EDIT: I signed a contract but did not receive a copy because I thought that my friend would just take care of all of it (I know I sound even more idiotic now. Well, hopefully people who lack as much common sense as I do will see this and learn from it). He was the reason I did the shoot; he knows the organizer. But I guess him and I aren't friends anymore.

Is this my fault or can I be justified in telling people to avoid this woman for taking advantage of someone with very little experience?

And so it's not text only, here's a picture from my first shoot:

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From my corporate Zombie shoot with James Thorpe (x-posted a little!)

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TXPhotog Banned From Model Mayhem

Many photographers and models are aware of the model/photographer website Modelmayhem (MM). MM has the largest community of photographers and models on the internet. Ranked 371 in traffic volume in the United States (10/14/2009 Alexa ranking), MM is also one of the most heavily used website in any category. One of the original members of MM, and a highly respected authority about the entire modeling industry and photographer rights, was kicked off MM in a dispute over MM’s rights to photos after the copyright holder deletes the images from their profile. Roger’s user name on MM was TXPhotog and recently changed to Emeritus. Roger Talley was a former owner of R&L Model Management in New York, a retired USAF Colonel, and an all around expert on the modeling industry and photographer rights issues. Roger posted the following notice after being removed from MM. The notice explains many of the issues.

Some months ago there was a large flap when Internet Brands (the new owners of MM) chose to impose a new Terms and Conditions, which caused something of a revolt among the membership. After a good deal of acrimonious discussion on the forums, it was changed to something that appeared to me to be acceptable.

It is not, and the other members now need to know why it is not.

One of the primary sticking points was the issue of a non-perpetual grant of rights. We all know that MM needs to be able to display content posted here, to archive it, and make other uses of it. That was understood and agreed to. But other sites had claimed a perpetual license, and the Terms IB tried to put in place also claimed a perpetual license. That was not agreed to. Finally, after a lot of negotiation, IB agreed that their usage license would terminate when the member removed their content from the site. Here is the wording of the Terms, which is still in effect:

“When you post content to the Site, you authorize and direct us to make such copies thereof as we deem necessary in order to facilitate the posting and storage of the content on the Site. Through the action of posting such content (images, text, video, etc) you are also granting the Site a non-exclusive worldwide license to use, copy, publicly display, publicly perform, reformat, translate such User content (in whole or in part) and distribute such content in connection with operation of the Site. This limited license does not grant Model Mayhem the right to sell or otherwise distribute your Content outside of the Model Mayhem Services without the express permission of the rights holder(s).

“You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content. This Site does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.”

Clearly the site needs to be able to archive copies of the site and all the material on it. The place crashes often enough that we all understand the value of a backup archive copy. So that seemed reasonable.

However, it turns out that’s not what they meant. Now, if you post anything to the site and another member makes copies of it and puts in on the site, that copy becomes, in their interpretation, “an archive copy”. They will not remove it, and claim they have a continued right to display and use it, even though you remove your original and ask that the copy be removed.

How do I know this? It just happened to me. I removed some of my original content from this site, and sent a CAM asking for removal, providing URLs to the content to be removed. This is the answer I received from MiguelIB, speaking for the corporation:

“We provide each member the ability to edit and delete their own posts however once another member quotes such posts it is our belief that that quote becomes an archived version of that conversation which we maintain the right to utilize on the site.”

As a practical matter, this gives MM and Internet Brands the perpetual license we all agreed they would not have when we put material on the site.”

Modelmayhem retaliated by deleting Roger’s profile from the website. Roger wrote:

The material above was posted to the Model Mayhem Site Related forum and promptly locked and hidden by them.

It appears that their interpretation is that anything posted by another member on their site is a part of “their archive” and thus immune to deletion, even with a DMCA notice. When you state that you disagree, your profile is removed.

This information as written by Roger Talley is re-posted here with permission of Roger Talley.

After having his profile removed from MM, Roger proceeded to list all improper posting of his images on a competing website called Model Insider.


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